Comments on: F1's latest sprint race change is logical but not more exciting - Verstappen | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Mon, 19 Feb 2024 19:01:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Stephen Crowsen https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4970128 Mon, 19 Feb 2024 19:01:37 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4970128 In reply to Sam.

Some tracks have alternative configurations, so maybe there is some merit in having the Sprint Race on one of the other configurations.

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By: ADUB SMALLBLOCK https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4970100 Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:44:23 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4970100 Sprint races were added, of course, to make the weekend more exciting for the fans. Problem is, the teams have little interest in making the weekend more interesting to the fans, their sole interest is maximizing their results at the end of the year. If they see the reward of winnning some points in the sprint as not worth the risk of compromising their race, they are going to be conservative in the sprint.

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4970023 Mon, 19 Feb 2024 01:01:14 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4970023 In reply to DB-C90.

I go even further – I won’t watch any part at all on those weekends, including the main race.

So, you're a 'real' F1 fan then..?

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By: EffWunFan https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4970017 Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:34:44 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4970017 In reply to DB-C90.

@dbradock But "if" that is what the younger generations want, then are you not effectively saying they are headed in the correct logical direction?

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By: EffWunFan https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4970016 Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:29:15 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4970016 In reply to Coventry Climax.

I am unsure @esploratore1 is 'trying to say' anything? It just seem to be a simple clarification / statement of fact that there would have been no meaningful impact in those seasons, which doesn't mean they think it is okay, or indeed not okay.

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By: DB-C90 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4970015 Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:23:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4970015 In reply to lynn-m.

And that’s the only way we can get the message across.

I go even further - I won’t watch any part at all on those weekends, including the main race.

Unfortunately I believe F1 is now aiming at the highlights watchers on social media because they’re buying into the “fans want short exciting packages not long boring races” that our younger generations seem to want.

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By: AlanD https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4970006 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 20:58:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4970006 In reply to S.

F1 team sizes today are crazy. In 1954, Stirling Moss's team consisted of himself, Ken Gregory the manager, and Alf Francis who was the mechanic and also drove the van which took the car from circuit to circuit. Twenty years later, the Tyrell team which built its own chassis and won the championship with Jackie Stewart driving for them had about 12 members altogether, and Ken Tyrell had to drive the transporter to the European races because no-one else in the team had the right type of driving license for driving trucks in Europe.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969983 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:39:09 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969983 In reply to Imre.

Glad we cleared that up!

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By: lynn-m https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969981 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:12:06 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969981 i didn't watch a single second of any of the sprint gimmick friday or saturday stuff the last 2 years and won't be watching any of them this year or in any future years.

when you have gimmicky nonsense that is making avid fans who have been watching for decades not want to watch some of the track action over the weekend & skip days entirely then your doing something wrong!

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969973 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:15 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969973 In reply to SteveR.

And despite being unpaid, they'd still be much more happy to do it than those who get paid.

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969972 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:09:48 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969972 In reply to S.

Earlier than that - when the initial concept of F1 using a sprint anything was being tossed about.
And then the problems started… Compromise took over, and surprise, surprise, nobody was satisfied with the resulting session format they came to.

They can give the winner of the sprint race a thousand points, but that’s not going to get an Alpine or Aston Martin starting in 8th to win it.

Absolutely - but that's not what the big players in the F1 management game want, and why they won't allow any conditions which encourage that possibility to be introduced.

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By: Imre https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969969 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:59:12 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969969 In reply to Coventry Climax.

Yeah, I meant best possible order after not having a Sprint altogether.

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By: SteveR https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969962 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:17:43 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969962 In reply to Sam.

Not to mention there would also be the problem of providing marshaling for the event; the track workers are unpaid volunteers.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969954 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:35:03 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969954 In reply to Imre.

It’s the best possible order of sessions.

In my opinion, the best order of sessions does not feature any sprint related things at all.
It's called a Grand Prix fcs, anything else simply isn't and takes away from it.

If you must race current F1 cars in something else than Grand Prix too, then fine, but don't have it interfere with the F1 championship or any Grand Prix weekend in any way.
My opinion: Go do your F1 Street Sprint Shait at other times and separately please.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969950 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:26:54 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969950 In reply to DB-C90.

That's my fear too.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969948 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:20:27 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969948 In reply to Esploratore.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, @esploratore
Smallprix are OK because one team happens to be dominant?
or
We're safe just following the GrandPrix because there's no impact on the outcome?

Either way depends on a team being dominant, but that makes it all OK?
Sounds like death penalty is OK as long as we fail to succesfully execute it.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969946 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:12:19 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969946 In reply to S.

* That's not going to get an Alpine or Aston Martin to win it, obviously.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969945 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:09:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969945 In reply to S.

I don't recall any talk of reversing the order initially, when it was still called 'super qualifying' by some teams in early 2021. The idea was to have qualifying very early on, with little preparation, then have the 'sprint qualifying' to determine the grid. The idea being that skipping practise, having a less-than-ideal qualifying and then a short and somewhat frantic race would produce a very mixed grid for the race.

In reality, that doesn't happen. Teams might be a little less prepared (Austria 2022 being perhaps the only time it cost a team the win) but the qualifying is mostly as normal, and the sprint qualifying was never really that frantic. The reaction to the race winner being the pole winner was also very unpopular, which eventually led to this silly seperation where there are two seperate qualifying sessions and two seperate races, with the reverse grid coming to the fore in 2023 because it was still such a dull event.

F1 cars, arranged by race pace thanks to qualifying and parc fermé, will never have a lot of racing for position. Especially not when they all have the same fuel level, same tyres, and no limitations on 'push to pass' type of systems. They can give the winner of the sprint race a thousand points, but that's going to get an Alpine or Aston Martin starting in 8th to win it.

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By: Asd https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969944 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:02:11 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969944 In reply to stefano.

"this adds the possibility of winning the championship on a saturday morning, and then being occupied with qualifying in the afternoon of the same day"

That would be the most exciting spring race possible! ;) But you need to also consider all the BENEFICIAL possibilities it brings!
A sprint race may also RE-ENABLE a final race show-down in the final GP! Instead of the WDC being decided in the penultimate GP!

If Verstappen leads Alonso by 27 points after the penultimate GP, the WDC would be decided there and then, making the last GP of the season would pointless.
BUT, with a sprint race, Alonso can shoot himself back to contention. In the best scenario he could lessen the gap to 19 points in the sprint of the final round and we would have the final GP as a WDC showdown.

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By: Esploratore https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/18/f1s-latest-sprint-race-change-is-logical-but-not-more-exciting-verstappen/#comment-4969942 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 11:42:07 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526802#comment-4969942 In reply to Coventry Climax.

If the competition for the top is as serious as the last 2 years, the champion and no-sprint champion won't change at all, neither in the drivers' nor the constructors', you'd need to have a season like 2021 for that to make a difference, generally.

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