Comments on: Verstappen rejects claims of rift with Horner | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Tue, 20 Feb 2024 01:14:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: pcxmac https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4970144 Tue, 20 Feb 2024 01:14:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4970144 what ever happens its clear that the leaks to the dutch media are a desperate move because they could not get it done with in the private confines of the corporate culture. And thus public speculation is required to facilitate. When it comes to texts and emails nothing is exactly true unless you can authenticate all the way back to the phone/email client. There are plenty of hackers who could have achieved this kind of sabotage by 'owning' Horner's phone anyways. Thus, if anyone is ever truly abused or mistreated at work, it is ESSENTIAL to file a grievance with HR, as HR will not necessarily help the individual, it can be used as a legal basis in court, which is where this matter should be, and out of the public, but there are some at Red Bull who are too desperate to see Horner gone, this much is obvious.

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By: Craig https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969781 Sat, 17 Feb 2024 10:09:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969781 In reply to Initially.

To me it's sounding more like this is stuff that's been bubbling away for some time in one form or another (certainly Horner's the sort of person who enjoys aggravating others, especially when he thinks he's gotten away with something) and is starting to escape the cracks. The attempts to brush it off as "nothing" or nonsense like "sabotage" makes me think there's potential for it to be worse then we think.

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By: David BR https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969722 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:02:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969722 In reply to Initially.

It's bad either way. If there's substance to the story then I feel for the victim and also feel that it would be hugely disappointing behaviour from the alleged perpetrator. Or it's indeed murkier and a way to lever out (or reduce the influence and power of) the man in big part responsible for the team's monumental success. If so, would it make any sense? Because what would they be left with?

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By: Initially https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969712 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 18:35:32 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969712 This whole thing smells of an attempt sabotage Red Bull’s dominance. Or just some internal power struggle using filthy Tacitus to undermine Horner.
I find this whole story cheap and doubtful.

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By: David BR https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969686 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:49:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969686 In reply to Mog.

@baasbas, I get @Mog's point and picked up the same on first reading. It could be 'same as always' excellent relationship or 'same as always' we tolerate each other. I'm not it matters though and also suspect any rift, if one existed, would probably pre-date the current allegations. TBH I'm lost about the whole thing, until this investigation story broke, I'd assumed everything was smooth running at Red Bull (leaving aside Marko's Pérez comments last season and the well-known tension between the latter and the Verstappen clan).

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By: baasbas https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969683 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:44:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969683 In reply to Mog.

@Mog
Not trying to be pedantic here, but since you're the one who started to go in to semantics…
Isn't it irrelevant what 'same as always' actually entails? He's responding to the alleged rift. A rift assumes a before and an after situation, otherwise you can't speak of a rift. Claiming it is the 'same as always' inherently denies a rift. Doesn't matter if their relationship was good or bad before, he claims it is the same now. So even bad before and bad now means no rift. He could be lying of course, but that is not what you implied with 'wiggle room'.

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By: An Sionnach https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969658 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:21:50 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969658 In reply to An Sionnach.

As Perez said, it's important to pull together. A team like this doesn't exist forever and it's not always easy to understand exactly what makes it so great. It's not just Newey and not just Max. A lot of people who are enjoying winning and work very hard to do it. A lot has been said of Perez too. As far as I'm concerned, he's a legend who's given the team a lot. I hope that is appreciated and he can continue to be a lifetime ambassador for the team well into the future if he wants.

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By: pcxmac https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969656 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:18:57 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969656 In reply to Ludewig.

and after the news cycle is over nobody will say anything…

but, nobody cares what Max thinks, its Jos and Marko whom are under speculation. Dont forget Austria and Porsche. Mediocrity is creeping on RBR.

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By: An Sionnach https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969655 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:14:36 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969655 In reply to Ludewig.

If there's ever an accusation of any kind there's no need to have an opinion on it. It's best to be patient and wait until everyone has had their due process. So much of F1 "news" is just gossip and speculation. It's not always possible, but an ideal resolution to conflict can be if everyone is satisfied to shake hands and resolve it so that they can work well together. If such a thing happens it may never be known what happened. Since it's not my business I don't care.

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By: Mog https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969653 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:10:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969653 Note he didnt say what same as always was in this quote. Perhaps he did in real life, but there is significant wiggle room there semantically.

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By: Ludewig https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/16/verstappen-rejects-speculation-over-rift-with-horner/#comment-4969644 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:42:32 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=526778#comment-4969644 Note how this works. First the media earns money by spreading falsehoods and then they get to earn money again by correcting the falsehood that they or their colleagues spread.

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