Comments on: Verstappen hails "aggressive" new RB20 as Red Bull mimics Mercedes | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:37:08 +0000 hourly 1 By: AlanD https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969731 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:37:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969731 Does anyone else find it so confusing that the Red Bull car is the RB20 whilst the commpletely independent team, has a car designated the RB01. Instead of making people think they are two independent teams, this just blurs the lines even more.

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By: Johns https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969694 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 14:36:50 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969694 Now we know why Red Bull wanted to launched last.

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By: MadMax https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969681 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:37:27 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969681 In reply to Roy Beedrill.

conspiracy theorists better stay on RB media

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By: Phil Norman https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969680 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:16:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969680 In reply to DonSalsa.

You're right. This car does definitely not have zero side pods, Mercedes style. If this is the version that appears on track.

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By: Roy Beedrill https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969678 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:00:41 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969678 In reply to RH.

Calling RB20 as mimicking the Merc is quite a stretch.

Don't forget the site where you are. They didn't write "Hamilton's Mercedes" this time, which is already an achievement. Definitely moving into the right direction.

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By: Rando1234 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969677 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:22:30 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969677 I find it funny that people on here have a go at merc and say things like omg merc so bad and merc designers so arrogant for keeping the slim sidpod. But then when redbull add similar designs suddenly omg Newey so smart merc so dumb (this despite the fact Newey isn't the sole designer of the car, there are literally hundereds of designers both at redbull and merc). Maybe, just maybe, people on here don't have a clue what they're talking about. And maybe the slim sidepods and engine cover weren't the main reason merc were struggling. Let's see how the cars perform on the track before we start praising designs non of us actually understand.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969666 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:59:03 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969666 In reply to tielemst.

Couldn't agree more.
Especially with all these comments from all the high level, high tech engineers with inside knowledge here.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969665 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:53:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969665 In reply to DonSalsa.

These 'sausages' are there primarily to conduct outside airflow. I'm sure though, they've made good use of the room within. Cooling however, has not been a Red Bull problem last year.

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By: tielemst https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969654 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:12:55 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969654 In reply to Asd.

Let's see how fast it is first

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By: DonSalsa https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969652 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:09:56 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969652 In reply to MacLeod.

What exactly is RBR going to make it work but the Mercs couldn’t?
Surely not the zeropod??? Because what’s on the rb20 is a big fat horizontal sidepod, with possibly a vertical inlet underneath; not even close to the zeropod!!!

So what then? The big fat ugly ‘sausages’ on the engine cover then? Possibly rbr had not choice here because they need cooling to compensate for narrowing their sidepod inlets?!

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By: André https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969650 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:07:39 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969650 Kudos to Mark Elliott. His team was on to something.

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By: MacLeod https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969639 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:06:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969639 In reply to Asd.

It was a good design idea but the couldn't get it alright but Newey's team will make it working.

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By: MacLeod https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969638 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:05:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969638 In reply to Johns.

Problem of Mercedes was the zero side pod concept isn't bad bit rather very good BUT you need the right suspension to make it work. My feeling was that Red Bull could make that working with their suspension.

And it seems the designteam thinks it was a good idea. We will see how good this concept will work during testing.

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By: Olivier https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969637 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:03:37 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969637 In reply to Asd.

I can imagine the Mercedes engineers feeling gutted right now.

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By: Asd https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969634 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:43:45 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969634 What a slap to Mercedes' designers! And what a flex by Newey showing them how their own idea should've been done. Damn!

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By: pcxmac https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969610 Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:11:39 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969610 In reply to Johns.

I believe Mercedes sacrificed quite a bit to get those pods including exhaust temps and engine performance. Usually you like to keep moving forward, but the zero side pod dilema was too many steps in all kinds of directions and the guys in charge of engineering the system as a whole didn't have a clue what was going on, or were too busy trying to hide that fact.

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By: Johns https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969603 Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:38:49 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969603 The BS stops when the green flag drops.

Do I remember one year when the car redbull launched was not the same as the one at the first test?

So lets just wait till the first test gets going.

By the way, I think the physics is against the Mer’s zero pod concept.

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By: RH https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/verstappen-hails-aggressive-new-rb20-red-bull-mimics-mercedes/#comment-4969601 Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:14:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525974#comment-4969601 Calling RB20 as mimicking the Merc is quite a stretch.

Red Bull likely have horizontal inlet (from the real videos I have seen) and not an inlet that uses the SIS as a mirror trick. Secondly the primary similarities are with the cannons I see. Which is certainly interesting. The RB car pioneered the huge undercut last year which was absent in the Merc cars till now.

I think RB have evolved one more round certainly with input from Mercedes design, but they evolved even last year with input from Aston Alpine Williams.

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