Comments on: First pictures: Red Bull "haven't been conservative" as they reveal 2024 F1 car | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Sat, 17 Feb 2024 04:48:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sergey Martyn https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969754 Sat, 17 Feb 2024 04:48:11 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969754 I never doubt that Adrian Newey is a genius and a best F1 designer ever but RB20 just blew my mind/ It is so darn beautiful it's eerie.

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By: Robert https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969730 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:34:10 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969730 In reply to SteveP.

I would guess the fastest cars are almost always perceived as better looking. What would be interesting is to compare how, historically, that perception has changed from before and after the performance has been revealed on track.

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By: Robert https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969728 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:28:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969728 In reply to SteveP.

No I thought about that too, I guess Newey doesn't like gills cause they mess up a clean flow. They might add some for the hottest races, but I suspect they try to vent all air at the back.
In the side view picture you can see one small opening, like a single gill, down below and just behind the RedBull logo. But that doesn't really count, on the whole the RedBull is clearly trying to avoid gills compared to the other teams.

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By: SteveP https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969673 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:54:33 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969673 In reply to Tifoso1989.

Do we need to wait for the first qualifying session of the season to hear the typical cliché of “The championship is over !” ?

Apparently not :)
Whatever else may turn up, that Merc wins the understated style award.
I've yet to see the stats of the correlation of style to performance though.

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By: Tifoso1989 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969669 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:18:47 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969669 Do we need to wait for the first qualifying session of the season to hear the typical cliché of "The championship is over !" ?

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By: Phil Norman https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969668 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:01:34 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969668 Purely on aesthetics I don't like it that much. The livery is pretty dull to me compared to some other cars. However, I am not technical but the design does look very neat, with smooth lines and fast.

I don't imagine that it's going to be too slow either ;-) I do hope they don't win 20+ races again though.

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By: pcxmac https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969659 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:23:07 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969659 In reply to PacificPR.

@steve pretty sure merc had to run a larger rear wing on avg.

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By: SteveP https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969641 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:14:04 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969641 In reply to Robert.

I think those shoulders, the rearwards extension of the halo if you will, are hollow. Used to channel out the warm radiator air at the back, and therefore very lightweight.

Is it me? Or does anyone else notice that the displayed item has not one single "shark gill" vent slot visible?
I thought the Merc was unusual in only showing three small slots.
OK, wait for the real car that appears on track…

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By: SteveP https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969640 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:08:09 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969640 In reply to PacificPR.

I seem to recall a comment from Mercedes that the main problem with the "zero" sidepod design was that it was too efficient in the generation of down force and that the suspension couldn't handle the tendency to go too low, stall and rise (porpoise) so they had to run it non-optimally and generate downforce from wings and suffer drag.

So, back to your comment about suspension there.
Back in the previous ground effect era they had suspension designs, now banned, that dealt with that bounce.
This set of regs was probably deliberately done with those bans in mind and setting a design challenge to do the job without the previous fixes.

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By: PacificPR https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969633 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:30:41 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969633 In reply to Tristan.

It’s brilliant isn’t it. I can’t wait for testing to begin and we can see more details.

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By: PacificPR https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969632 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:24:00 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969632 In reply to cdfemke.

Of course every element plays it’s part and one can’t function without the other. But I just find it fascinating that everyone assumed that the sidepod-design was the key element to Red Bull’s performance (teams copying it etc) and now Red Bull has come up with a different approach - while most teams have finally caught up with the “old” design. It’s one of those things I love about F1 and I am very curious how things will work out!

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By: OOliver https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969627 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 05:02:27 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969627 Redbull have just done what Mercedes could have done when they came up with their zero pod concept

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By: Robert https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969624 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 04:13:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969624 In reply to Tristan.

I think those shoulders, the rearwards extension of the halo if you will, are hollow. Used to channel out the warm radiator air at the back, and therefor very lightweight.

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By: Tristan https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969623 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:37:37 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969623 In reply to Tristan.

To put it perhaps clearer, with regards to raising the center of gravity

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By: Tristan https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969620 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:10:28 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969620 In reply to SteveR.

not suggesting anything, moreso trying to understand that curve upwards at the back… if there's weight behind it and if they're putting that weight higher just to push the air down back there, that doesn't make much sense to me…

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By: SteveR https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969619 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 02:45:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969619 In reply to Tristan.

Looking at the technical regulations there's not much latitude as to the exhaust. What are you suggesting?

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By: OhNoes1999 https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969617 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 01:05:42 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969617 In reply to cdfemke.

Not necessarily. In all Mercedes sims the no sidepods had it running at optimum speeds but they just couldn't translate it to track, if Newey's managed this it's going to be a bit of a nose rub for Mercedes initial 22 concept.

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By: Tristan https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969616 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 00:58:42 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969616 Look at that rear end…

I'm no aerodynamicist but logic dictates they're pushing a lot of air down through to that rear suspension. Such a clear channel there where as last year and in other cars this year it's all a bit bulbous and ugly around there. I wonder if that's due to a revelation or just being more transparent about what they've always known.

Assuming there's some weight behind that bodywork (is it exhaust?) and it's not just an aero device, pushing that higher up goes against some solid principles and just goes to show how much that aero is worth.

Also the sidepod is looking more like an aircraft wing than ever before… Fascinating stuff.

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By: cdfemke https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969615 Fri, 16 Feb 2024 00:12:46 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969615 In reply to PacificPR.

The sidepod does generate some kind of skirt effect so its rather important

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By: stefano https://www.racefans.net/2024/02/15/first-pictures-red-bull-havent-been-conservative-as-they-reveal-2024-f1-car/#comment-4969613 Thu, 15 Feb 2024 23:23:35 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525894#comment-4969613 what an absolutely gorgeous machine

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