Comments on: F1 Commission plans sprint race changes, drops ATA and delays tyre blanket ban | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Sat, 25 Nov 2023 08:42:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: S https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956539 Sat, 25 Nov 2023 08:42:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956539 In reply to Johns.

Goodyear and Bridgestone(japan) had the solution years ago.

Goodyear and Bridgestone (and Michelin) made tyres for F1 cars of significantly different (lower) performance and less mass.
And as noted a billion times - Pirelli are following the Target Letter that F1 issues, requiring them to provide tyres featuring specific degradation patterns.

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956537 Sat, 25 Nov 2023 08:37:24 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956537 In reply to Leksa.

What must happen that they will get rid of them?

Press that button on your TV remote. All gone.

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956535 Sat, 25 Nov 2023 08:32:58 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956535 In reply to Alan Dove.

Slowly people will come round to the idea F1 isn’t essential viewing any more

It never was.

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956534 Sat, 25 Nov 2023 08:31:26 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956534 In reply to SteveP.

Huh?
Tyres designed and constructed (by any manufacturer) to be pre-heated are always going to be different than tyres that can be used cold.
All F1 needs is a hard cut. Just tell the teams the blankets are banned and here are the new tyres. Deal with them.

The resistance is that the teams don't want to throw away all the data and knowledge they have on the current tyres and learn something new - that their competitor might just figure out faster and better than they can.

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By: GmP https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956507 Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:23:28 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956507 In reply to Stephen Taylor.

I read that he said that, but I am surprised by it. The grandstand (turn 12 complex) was more full than I recall from years before. Not completely full as during the Sunday race, I could still move around, but to me it looked more seats filled then other years, before the pandemic, that I was sitting there. But he has real numbers, I have only my memory, I suppose he is right.

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By: Fred Fedurch https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956498 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 23:29:13 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956498

"Looking ahead to the introduction of the new power unit formula in 2026, the commission announced that an agreement was reached that will restrict teams from beginning developmental work on their 2026 cars until the beginning of 2025."

Dear FIA. Please tell me how you're going to stop Adrian from thinking about car designs.

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By: anon https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956485 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 21:46:33 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956485 In reply to MichaelN.

MichaelN, in terms of number of tyres used per car, it's not exactly as if they weren't throwing lots of tyres at the cars in the past either.

The trend now seems to be to idealise the 2000s now, given that's now the period that's around 25 years from the present and thus what a sizeable chunk of those watching now grew up with. Back then, they'd happily chuck 40 tyres at a car per weekend - and, if we're frank, there was more moaning and whining about tyres back then than people like to recall (mainly because people don't enjoy dredging those memories up).

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956468 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 20:20:45 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956468 In reply to GmP.

@gmp Stephen Taylor already pointed out the relevant point mentioned by Bobby Epstein on that weekend, but another factor why I hope COTA reverts to the standard format is the late-ish start time for that session.

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By: Stephen Taylor https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956459 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 19:52:23 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956459 In reply to GmP.

COTA doesn't want a Sprint race again as the Sprint they held this year hurt the Saturday attendance there.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956452 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:53:24 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956452 In reply to Craig.

Yeah! We could have sextuple headers in just two weekends.
You honestly think people will watch all that?
And get a buzz from a special (=infrequent) and exciting (=unique) event?

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956451 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:46:46 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956451 In reply to GmP.

How about mandating a simple price/race-viewing ratio? See less racing, pay less and vice versa.
It's like people complaining about waste, but forget that a simple packaging/contents ratio would make the problem manageable. For most countries, all products are classified into product groups, which makes it a rather simple law making issue. (And mandating bio-degradeable packaging, but that has no conceptual similarity to visiting races.)

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By: GmP https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956448 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:18:09 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956448 In reply to Johns.

Nonsense. Pirelli follows mandated requirements. Any other manufacturer would face same if the requirements don’t change.

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By: GmP https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956446 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:16:09 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956446 In reply to GT Racer.

Which fans do you want to survey? The people who spend lots of money to go to the track for a long weekend and want to get value for their money by seeing the F1 cars/drivers race for points?
Or the TV or on-line watching fans, who as a group are much larger, but bring less money in for the track venue itself?
In my view fans who visit races should have a biggest voice in such a survey, as they are the poeple who spend their money and who you want to give value so they come back next years.

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By: GmP https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956442 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:07:02 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956442 In reply to Jere.

I would hope Austin will be a sprint race weekend. I have been to Austin five times, including this year, and plan to go next year as well. For me this year sprint weekend was more fun than the normal weekend, more action “that counted”.

Other comment after this year visiting Miami, Austin and Vegas: an F1 only weekend is horrible value. Miami with the Porches was borderline, Austin with three support races and the sprint race was real value for money. For me next year visiting Austin is a go, Miami maybe, but Vegas a hard no.
Liberty should mandate a certain amount of race activity per event. (In my view)

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By: SteveP https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956426 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:11:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956426 In reply to GT Racer.

Doing any sort of formal survey in which data would need to be published & talked about would just highlight how unpopular the format is.

Do you recall the online survey they started, then binned and buried in the deepest, darkest hole they could find when it became apparent how much the fans disliked the sprint idea?

I suspect that they are now at the point that they feel that they have to battle through, somehow, because they can't deal with the embarrassment of admitting how wrong they were. Of course, if someone deeply involved were to suddenly leave, then they can wait a short while and then point the blame at the leaver.

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By: SteveP https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956420 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:03:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956420 In reply to Miane.

Sprint races should be a separated reserve drivers championship with one reserve driver per car each race. For example, Drugovich take part in all 6 races, 3 in place of Alonso and 3 in place of Stroll. They should count points for Constructor championship.

Pretty good paraphrasing of what I've been saying since the irritation started.

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By: Sumedh https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956419 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:02:00 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956419 Why drop the ATA.

It was good. It stopped faster teams from using a harder tyre in Q1 / Q2 and further improving their race day strategy advantage.

Plus reducing tyre usage from 13 to 11 sets was another benefit

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By: SteveP https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956418 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:01:06 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956418 In reply to Jere.

Tyre blanket ban abandoned – Bunch of sissies still can’t accept the reality that as certain other single-seaters have managed without blankets, so would F1.

I suspect that the most reasonable thing to do is hold off on the tyre warmer ban until the teams are familiar with the tyres supplied by the new supplier following the exit of Pirelli.

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By: Keith Campbell https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956410 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 16:32:47 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956410 In reply to PMccarthy_is_a_legend.

@pmccarthy_is_a_legend I think the incentive to finish last would still be an issue with this format. Take Haas this year for instance. Their race pace is so bad that over a full distance race they have very little chance of scoring points. But starting on pole in a 1/3 distance sprint race would give them a very realistic chance of scoring points. So they, probably amongst others, would certainly rather qualify last for the main race rather than try their best and maybe qualify P12 for the main race, leaving them only starting 8th for the sprint, and unlikely to score points in either.

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By: Ferdinand https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/24/f1-commission-plans-sprint-race-changes-drops-ata-and-delays-tyre-blanket-ban/#comment-4956407 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 16:29:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523588#comment-4956407 In reply to Yes.

Moreover, what has it to do with the sports performance? It is clearly only for the sake of the show. Worrying stuff that this seems to dominate Liberty's mind. They seem to lose more and more sight/focus on the sport and are turning it into an entertainment franchise. This eventually will lead to practice session in which celebrities drive the car dressed up as cartoon characters, probably joined by one winner from the audience who has to pay top dollar to have a shot at winning this price.

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