Comments on: Vegas-Middle East back-to-back doesn't fit F1's sustainability agenda - Verstappen | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Fri, 24 Nov 2023 21:46:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: andrewf1 https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956484 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 21:46:32 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956484 In reply to Jere.

@jerejj
What does avoiding crows or delays have to do with sustainability?
It has benefits, sure, for the comfort of the 1 person using the aircraft for travel.
Instead of there being dozens or hundreds of passengers using an aircraft.

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By: Simon https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956321 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:30:06 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956321 In reply to Jere.

"…stop caring about such trivialities…"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3f/27/34/3f27341fd00bd575bff7bf6c5dfdc9de.jpg

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By: JOA20 https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956311 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 09:29:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956311 2024 has 3 triple-headers, three times too many, with two 4-week breaks… I would've postponed the Sao Paulo GP to make a double with Las Vegas instead.

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By: MurasamaRA300 https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956299 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 07:59:53 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956299 In reply to MurasamaRA300.

And, just to clarify:
I wrote "He's not wrong though".
I was referring to Verstappen, i.e. "Verstappen is not wrong in what he is saying".

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By: MurasamaRA300 https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956298 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 07:57:46 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956298 In reply to User.

He's not wrong though.

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By: Ruben https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956285 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 05:41:35 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956285 In reply to User.

Oooh, a whataboutism!

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By: pastaman https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956282 Fri, 24 Nov 2023 04:41:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956282 In reply to User.

Your edit made me chuckle

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By: isthatglock21 https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956267 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:50:04 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956267 In reply to AlanD.

I promise you people likes Lewis still travel just as much if not more on private jets than he did when owned one himself. He only sold it for the PR optics & now never posts him on jets despite travelling everywhere on one. Only time he never flies commercial is to Australia which he flew commercial even when he had a jet. Even Seb Vettell literally used a jet in every year of his 15+ year career bar the very last 1/2 where he was vocal. I respect Max for owning a ajet despite the bad PR cause truth is he uses it less than many others on the grid for a guy who just stays at home

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956243 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:09:56 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956243 In reply to AlanD.

AlanD Are all the others travelling on commercial flights, though, or always that way, as one would think they'd resort to that quicker & more convenient option at least in Europe with relatively short air travel distances.

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956241 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:08:30 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956241 In reply to User.

@user576 Using a private jet rather than commercial flights has certain benefits such as avoiding crowds, delays, etc.

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By: AlanD https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956223 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:14:46 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956223 In reply to Jim from US.

Jim, I think the point is that Max and Alonso both still have luxury private jets with a big carbon footprint, whereas the other drivers are travelling on scheduled flights which might still not be great for sustainability, but they do at least have some environmental economy of scale.

Also, I think Max saying it doesn't fit well with a sustainable agenda is a red herring. It wouldn't matter if the races were back to back or a month apart, if teams are still going to do the same amount of flying. I believe the FIA has already recognised that shortcoming and is rearranging the schedule in future years to have more regional grouping on the calendar.

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By: Murrah https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956210 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:04:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956210 In reply to Jim from US.

How else are they meant to get around?

Until there are realistic alternatives available, there's nobody to point the finger at.

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956209 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:03:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956209 Indeed, although avoiding such a combination 'was possible' for next season already, if only they weren't so hell-bent about holding the LV GP a week before Thanksgiving, they could hold it a week earlier or have Brazil fill the Singapore-COTA gap as a standalone, with LV following Mexico by two weeks & consequently Qatar-Abu Dhabi also two weeks earlier.
They really should stop caring about such trivialities to have more flexibility.

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By: User https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956203 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:41:07 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956203 In reply to pastaman.

I definitely think for the future – of course for next year it’s not possible – but it’s a little bit odd that we are on the other side of the world basically before getting here. Especially when you’re talking about sustainability.

“It’s probably not very sustainable, not only for the emissions

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By: pastaman https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956193 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:50:50 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956193 In reply to User.

Did you read the article?

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By: PacificPR https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956184 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:20:19 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956184 In reply to Nulla Pax.

+1

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By: Jim from US https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956177 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:57:53 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956177 LOL. Leave Max alone. Lewis jets into NYC to attend those fancy galas. All the racers jet off to wherever whenever there is a break.

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By: User https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956168 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:13:36 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956168 The same Max Verstappen who has a private jet which he flew in to Vegas when there are many commercial flights doing the same route… Spare me his faux environmental concern

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By: Nulla Pax https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/23/vegas-middle-east-back-to-back-doesnt-fit-f1s-sustainability-agenda-verstappen/#comment-4956159 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 13:39:42 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=523386#comment-4956159 Max is turning into the new Seb isn't he.

Good on him. There are far too many bum-kissers on the grid already. Let's have some honesty.

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