Comments on: Verstappen's "incredible" F3 drive which told Tost he was a future Schumacher | Formula 3 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Sat, 13 Jan 2024 00:13:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ferdinand https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963589 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 00:13:10 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963589 In reply to Sham.

Not sure what you expect a F1 champion to be, nor what it takes to become one.

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By: baasbas https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963408 Thu, 11 Jan 2024 16:08:52 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963408

… while Ocon and Blomqvist tangled.

Yes, that is a way to describe it. You could also say Ocon pulled an Ocon.

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By: Shimks https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963396 Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:28:35 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963396 In reply to José Lopes da Silva.

Yes, me neither. Great to watch that young-faced a decade ago.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963356 Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:32:53 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963356 In reply to Esploratore.

Schumacher helped Irvine in Malaysia, but I'm not too sure he did his absolute best in Japan. Although to Häkkinnen's credit, he had a great weekend there. The gap he and Schumacher pulled on the rest of the field was extraordinary.

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By: José Lopes da Silva https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963313 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:42:20 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963313 Many thanks for this excellent article. This is the purest folklore history of the sport and is vital for its understanding - and I had never heard of it before.

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By: Esploratore https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963310 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:29:31 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963310 In reply to Ciaran.

True, even if mercedes was by far the best car to be in when verstappen joined red bull, if you're a generational talent and get into a decent car in f1 (which red bull was), you will be able to show how good you are, and then a door might open in the best team too, if that team keeps being best for long.

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By: Esploratore https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963309 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:25:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963309 In reply to Axel.

Actually verstappen wasn't making that many mistakes most of his early years, it was only in early 2018, when red bull had a fairly decent car, not far from being the best, that he lost a lot of points by making a costly mistake every weekend pretty much.

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By: Esploratore https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963308 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:24:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963308 In reply to Sham.

Clearly talking about the defensive drives ofc, I thought brazil 2022 refusal to help perez was a low point, schumacher helped irvine in 1999.

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By: Esploratore https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963307 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:23:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963307 In reply to Sham.

Verstappen also hates losing and you saw what kind of defensive measures he adopted in the end of 2021 when mercedes had a clear faster car to keep hamilton behind, and you also saw he didn't want to let perez by in brazil 2022, even though they were nowhere in that particular race.

In case there's any doubt, I like this, from both schumacher and verstappen, and he already reminded me of schumacher very early in his career.

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By: BamBoomBots https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963249 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:13:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963249 In reply to Sham.

It seems you have missed that it's a comparison in terms of driving ability.

You may think whatever you please of the behaviour of these individuals, but this is not the subject matter.

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By: Alan Dove https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963246 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:55:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963246 In reply to Sham.

Michael Schumacher, the guy who put his ego aside and raced karts regularly. Whether it be 2009 SKUSA Supernats, 2001 World Championships, or just standard events at Kerpen? Max reflects this but in the sim world. These guys are so ruthless and would do anything to avoid losing are happy to lose against karters and simmers.

They are good examples to everyone.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963243 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:45:46 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963243 In reply to Sham.

That's unfortunate. All drivers had their low points, but to take those as reflective of their entire career robs one of enjoying and appreciating the highlights, of which there were a ton in Schumacher's case.

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By: Ciaran https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963242 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:31:01 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963242 The weeks where Red Bull and Mercedes fought to win Verstappen's contract is fascinating in hindsight. Very comparable to Schumacher's contract being snatched by Benneton in 1991. The fact that Red Bull could offer a race seat near-immediately with Toro Rosso was a huge benefit, and IIRC was one of the main reasons the Verstappen family went with them. Looking at how Mercedes struggled to promote George Russell for years, and struggled to place Esteban Ocon in 2016, the decision looks hugely justified.

If Kimi Antonelli is as excellent as the hype brigade claim, you'd wonder if they're hoping to gain Red Bull's favour for the same reason?

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By: Axel https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963238 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:21:47 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963238 In reply to Sham.

Nikita Mazepin?

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By: Axel https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963237 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:21:04 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963237 To me that F3 season perfectly encapsulated Verstappen in F1 up until 2020. Inconsistent and maybe still too much mistakes for a title challenge, but when he kept his head cool no one could catch him.
As a Dutchman I remember how worried I was that he might still flop like Frijns or van der Garde did. But after Malaysia 2015 I think it was pretty clear he was a different breed than those guys.

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By: Sham https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/10/verstappens-incredible-f3-drive-which-told-tost-he-was-a-future-schumacher/#comment-4963235 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:13:32 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525091#comment-4963235 If there is one driver in history I wouldn't want to be compared to, it's Schumacher.

Such talent, but the over reaching memory is of a ruthless cheat - who would readily put other drivers at risk to avoid losing.

Still, there is now another driver I wouldn't want to be compared to.

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