Comments on: Pirelli confirmed as F1's official tyre supplier for three more years | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Fri, 13 Oct 2023 06:35:59 +0000 hourly 1 By: BasCB https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4946141 Fri, 13 Oct 2023 06:35:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4946141 In reply to MichaelN.

Because that car had become obsolete and rather irrelevant in its characteristics MichaelN - F1 development goes so fast and is so costly that it would require a huge design team and factory to have a car that offers relevant data on track.

The FIA and pirelli already work with the simulation data teams provide them up front, but since not even the teams can judge their own cars development while they are working on it, to predict it for most of the grid AND be able to build a car (which would take half a year, so you would be guessing some year and a half up front) would be complete guesswork.

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4946129 Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:39:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4946129 In reply to PG.

Do we have an engine monopoly if someone makes a bad engine?

Well, we sorta do. They all build the same spec as prescribed in the rules. No-one can go and build something significantly different.

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By: PG https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4946093 Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:51:55 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4946093 I remain utterly opposed to any kind of monopoly in F1 and entirely unconvinced by the arguments for prescribed tyres.
The whole POINT of F1 is it's a constructor formula, and that used to mean every team doing whatever it thought was the best way to make their car faster than everyone else's car. The 2005 Indy debacle is an excuse, not a reason. It was, as Toto might say, a colossal fork up, but so what? Do we have an engine monopoly if someone makes a bad engine? We do not. Getting it wrong is part of the process, and with no competition we can never know whether a rival could do a better job.

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By: Crawliin-from-the-wreckage https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945992 Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:39:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945992 In reply to anon.

I agree with you and the engineer. Bought some Ohtsu yonks ago (wife is Japanese thought she'd be impressed I found some Japanese tyres), but was completely disinterested).Locals didn't know much about them (few tyre sellers said they're OK but don't wear well), but they were dirt cheap and they ordered them in for me.
Went pretty much went where I pointed it wet or dry and stopped "on demand" , didn't lose traction or skid , suited my driving style and local conditions I guess. Then re-launched here as Falken. Still worked well but prices went a bit silly. Forget brand loyalty or pretending to pull the visor down. Bit of experimentation and ended up with Yoko's (out of Philippines I think) and happy with them . So whatever floats your boat.

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By: AlanD https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945890 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 18:19:10 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945890 In reply to Yamamato.

Even better, stop using old dogs on ice as well

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By: Sergey Martyn https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945858 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:05:07 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945858 I believe that if there was no mandatory tyre change and some new manufacturer provided the rubber to last the entire race it would help to make the races more exciting if midfield teams and backmarkers could go without pit stops. They moan about zero carbon emissions but trash tons of tyres which have no less effect on environment. Hey, Greta, where are you now when such horrendous things kill our climate and make the little rabbits cry the bloody tears when every set of tyres is trashed?

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945841 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 13:58:58 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945841 In reply to Jay.

You might find more using 'microplastic', which seems the most common in describing the environmental impact of tyre manufacturing and wear. This is one that looked at both MPs and PFAS: 'Fate of road-dust associated microplastics and per- and polyfluorinated substances in stormwater' by Biplob Kumar Pramanik and others.

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By: Crawliin-from-the-wreckage https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945808 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:55:52 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945808 In reply to Jay.

Thanks Jay. I think once mounted they can't be utilised another time, so off to the recyclers.
I was getting confused watching live timing and seeing number of tyres used column in FP 1,2,3 & quali and thought it's a lot wondering if they reused some if things were going well, or not so well and save for race .
It's still a lot until the lights go out and it's go! go!go! (somewhere)

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945797 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:08:06 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945797 In reply to anon.

Interesting note about MotoGP; wasn't aware Michelin had some issues there. Like you say, they're doing very well in endurance racing and obviously also had the better of Bridgestone after a few years in F1.

Most road tyres from the major manufacturers (and usually their subsidiaries) are indeed on par, with minor difference one way or another. For example, Bridgestone and Vredestein all season tyres are usually prefered in countries with mild but wet winters, whereas Continental and Michelin usually get the nod when frequent but non-permanent snow is likely.

Budget tyres, though, can add a lot of meters to braking distances and should be avoided whenever possible.

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945776 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 09:00:45 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945776 In reply to Dex.

Why do we always end up disappointed with their choices?

Expectation problem, I'd say…

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By: Jay https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945774 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 08:55:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945774 In reply to Crawliin-from-the-wreckage.

@davedai

On the official F1 site, it says 13 sets of tires per team per weekend, plus 3 wet sets + 3 inter sets. 16(rounds, prior to Qatar) x 20(cars) x 19(dry+wet total) = 6,080 total sets of tires MAXIMUM. Now whether the teams used all the tires is another matter and I unfortunately don't have further information.

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By: Crawliin-from-the-wreckage https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945763 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 08:42:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945763 Mercedes Benz Kitchen sinks Mop flops etc etc]]> In reply to Andre.

Well that's just the way the cookie crumbles🥴
Mercedes Benz
Kitchen sinks
Mop flops etc etc

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By: Andre https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945746 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 08:02:47 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945746 Boo. Enough of the tyre formula. Let the drivers push flat out on tyres that don't fall apart like cookies.

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By: anon https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945743 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 07:50:34 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945743 In reply to mog.

mog, I do recall a tyre engineer some time back mentioning to me that he thought that, in reality, the consumer grade tyres coming from most of the major manufacturers were actually not that far apart in terms of performance. In his opinion, the perceived differences in performance were often exaggerated by expectation biases on the part of the buyer, often as a consequence of what they were conditioned to expect based on advertising.

We are, to some extent, seeing that here with the way that some individuals here talk about their own perceptions of tyre performance and how emotional biases have, to some extent, influenced their choices. Individuals here talk about how, for example, they believe that Michelin is great because of their perception of how the tyres perform in the World Endurance Championship.

However, if you were to go over to MotoGP, Michelin has faced frequent criticism over the performance of their tyres for years. For example, a particularly strong criticism that started last year was over the strict high minimum tyre pressures Michelin was insisting on, with the riders complaining that the front tyres tended to overheat so rapidly when behind another rider that the tyre pressures tended to skyrocket and cause the tyre performance to drop off rapidly - does that sound familiar as a complaint?

If you bias your opinion towards the WEC and the way that Michelin is portrayed there, you would think that they are a wonderful manufacturer. However, if you were to bias your opinion towards MotoGP and how Michelin is portrayed there, you'd think that they were a terrible manufacturer.

It's exactly the same company that's involved in both cases, but you'd likely develop very different expectations of how good or bad their products are likely to be based on those series and interpret the behaviour of their tyres in different ways as a result.

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By: Crawliin-from-the-wreckage https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945723 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 06:35:18 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945723 In reply to Jay.

No answer for you Jay. But I would like to know how many tyres in total across all teams were used prior to the start of the GP.
I know this weekend was off kilter but Japan or any recent will do.
Not all teams have blah blah, a number like 500 even before the race.

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By: Jay https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945718 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 05:57:15 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945718 F1 harps about 'sustainability' when it comes to emissions but never when it involves the marshmallow tires that leave debris all over the track and potentially in the air. I tried to lookup PFAS in tires and surprise, surprise, there aren't any studies on it. If anyone has a link to a study, please share.

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By: Tristan https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945703 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 01:02:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945703 :( Would have loved to see a switch to Bridgestone…

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By: DB-C90 https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945700 Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:22:48 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945700 No surprise at all.

Kinda feel sorry for them as they were the only choice really so they’re stuck with another 3 years of being bagged and not really being able to do anything different given the desire to have inbuilt deg.

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By: Seann Sheriland https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945690 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 23:03:49 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945690 I would like to see competition in tire suppliers.
Pirelli, is one, Michelin could be the other.
Teams get to select their preference.
It might provide more challenging racing.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/10/10/pirelli-confirmed-as-f1s-official-tyre-supplier-for-three-more-years/#comment-4945685 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 22:40:09 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=519563#comment-4945685 In reply to Roger Ayles.

Indeed, it's important to keep noting that - unlike some increasingly seem to claim - the 2021 floor regulations were not changed to slow down Mercedes after their dominant 2020 but rather introduced at the suggestion of Pirelli because they feared their tyres would not be able to stand up to a projected increase in downforce for 2021.

Since the 2021 season was supposed to be the first of these new regulations, but those were delayed due to the covid-19 pandemic, there was (apparently) no option to make better tyres for just the 2021 season.

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