Comments on: Why IndyCar drivers fear new hybrids could prove a "season-killer" for them | IndyCar https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Wed, 31 Jan 2024 00:23:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: Yellow Baron https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4966117 Wed, 31 Jan 2024 00:23:58 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4966117 In reply to grat.

I was going to say the same thing. I'm so glad for indycar because it's a much more no nonsense get on with it series which has a little old school vibe to it. To the point I'd almost rather watch a 2023 indycar season over a 2021 F1 season. Just because F1 is so full of nonsense nowadays.

My only wish, as with all series, is that they lower the commentary volume relative to the car sounds. Does anyone remember when commentary was commentary and not just a constant stream of words for the sake of saying something?

Also very important point at the end, these things tend to cause a lot of constipation.

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By: MacLeod https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4966005 Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:50:58 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4966005 In reply to anon.

Then i stand corrected as I thought those systems were non standard. Maybe they can give Honda F1 a tip (super capacitors could be handy for F1)

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By: grat https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4966004 Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:35:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4966004 In reply to The Dolphins.

In general I think IndyCar does a much better job of handling a racing series than F1. The stewarding is more consistent, and they're willing to change a bad rule. They're not nearly as committee-bound or politically managed as F1.

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By: baasbas https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965971 Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:20:57 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965971

IndyCar needs F1-style push for “massive gains” in viewers – O’Ward

Why assume it is incompetence to introduce it half way through a season? It could well be deliberate. Some controversy, a championship leader losing his points lead, changing fortunes.. Sounds like something Netflix could come up with..

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By: DaveW https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965966 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 23:29:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965966 Isn’t regen going to be pretty useless on an oval? It will just be a lot of weight.

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By: kuvemar https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965965 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 23:15:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965965 In reply to Abies de Wet.

Well, I have some bad news for you …

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By: Fer no.65 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965959 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 21:30:09 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965959 In reply to The Dolphins.

And they have an easier job given it's just a local series, not an international affair.

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By: Radoye https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965955 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 20:58:11 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965955 In reply to Abies de Wet.

Actually, no batteries involved in IndyCar's hybrid solution - they are using supercapacitors instead…

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By: greasemonkey https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965942 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:23:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965942 In reply to MacLeod.

GM (via Cadillac) just did pretty well over 24 hours of Daytona on a hybrid system a lot more like Indy will have than F1 has.

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By: anon https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965940 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:16:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965940 In reply to MacLeod.

@macleod there still isn't any real advantage for Honda.

Firstly, and most importantly, all of the mechanical components are being supplied as a standardised unit by Mahle - partially for cost controls, but partially also because of limitations on the size of the hybrid unit that can be installed without having to redesign the chassis.

Secondly, as others noted, because it is a standardised unit, there is a tripartite working group between Honda, Chevrolet and the governing body, with both manufacturers carrying out joint test sessions to help Mahle develop the new hybrid systems.

Thirdly, even excluding the standardised hardware and partnership arrangements through the governing body, there is also the fact that Honda's North American division has traditionally been semi-autonomous from the main parent body of Honda and has usually not had much, if any, overlap in their motorsport projects.

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By: The Dolphins https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965938 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 17:19:44 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965938 In reply to MichaelN.

This is not a question of budget, however, this is simply poor governance.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965934 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:38:24 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965934 In reply to The Dolphins.

Indycar certainly does some goofy things, but it's important to keep in mind that this is quite a low-budget series in the grand scheme of things. Red Bull alone probably spends more on its four F1 cars than all the Indycar teams combined.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965933 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:34:35 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965933 In reply to MacLeod.

Indycar does not have meaningful competition even on the engine front, indeed, Honda and Chevrolet have been working together with Indycar to make this hybrid PU.

It's not a very complex system; there is no MGU-H or anything like that. It's something both Honda and Chevrolet can combine with their rather basic Indycar engine without issues.

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By: Dex https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965931 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 15:53:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965931 In reply to Fer no.65.

All they show is lack of professionalism of the series, compared to most major sports and motorsports.

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By: Don https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965929 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 15:43:36 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965929 In reply to Abies de Wet.

Well, have no fear because IndyCar's system is unique and doesn't use a battery. It uses a Super Capacitor and motor, both fitted in the bellhousing which makes packaging challenging. Very different than F1's hybrid.

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By: The Dolphins https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965927 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 15:11:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965927 We can complain about what a joke the FIA and/or F1 can be at times but they cannot hold a candle to IndyCar.

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By: Fer no.65 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965918 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 14:31:03 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965918 Makes no sense whatsoever to change something like this mid season. They probably want to show that they are "getting on with the times", but doing so halfway through a championship is daft.

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By: PeterG https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965917 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 14:28:58 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965917 I remember in 2004 when they wanted to slow the cars down by going from 3.5ltr to 3.0ltr V8's but made the call so late none of the manufacturer's were ready so they ended up starting the year with the 3.5ltr engines & making the switch to the new 3.5Ltr engines starting from Indy.

And while not the same thing due to been voluntary rather than mandated in the more open CART era it wasn't uncommon for teams to bring new chassis & completely different engine specs mid-season. Was even occasions where teams would switch engine suppliers mid-season or run different chassis and/or engines depending on circuit configuration. For example maybe running a March chassis on the road circuits & a Lola on the ovals or something.

But of course you can't do that now because everything is sadly overly restrictive & single make. Was more fun when it was more open.

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By: MacLeod https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965915 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 13:56:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965915 In reply to BasCB.

@bascb - Compaired with Chevolet yes as they has working several years on performance hydride systems.

@asd - Yes they have several systems but not on high performance racing engines/systems they have almost none experience.

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By: Christopher Rehn https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/29/why-indycar-drivers-fear-new-hybrids-could-prove-a-season-killer-for-them/#comment-4965914 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 13:56:03 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525827#comment-4965914 If they cannot introduce it to the season start, surely it should be pushed back to next season? Introducing such a massive change "some time" during the season opens up a can of worms. What if a Penske driver is leading the championship with the old engines, will they delay the introduction? What if it's the opposite and they rush it to give themselves a new chance? I say wait until 2025.

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