Comments on: Racing at Laguna Seca threatened by locals' court case | IndyCar https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Wed, 24 Jan 2024 11:17:29 +0000 hourly 1 By: olpeculier https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964973 Wed, 24 Jan 2024 11:17:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964973 In reply to RCD.

That's the one!

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By: Kurt Laguna https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964868 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 18:47:49 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964868 Some of my best memories of racing, on and off the track, are of Laguna Seca. Events like the the FIA-GT in 97 and 98 watching the Mercedes Benz CLK-GTR and the then AMG Team standout plus Champcar, the American LeMans Series, etc. Most likely the local lobby group has little if any interest in racing, tourism or economic development. It must be traffic more than anything else as the circuit is built in a natural amphitheater and not much sound escapes! The scary fact is that the circuit is run by the local County so politics may well put the death nail into its future not the courts. Sad as it is regarded by most of the racing community as a special jewel with unique track features like the 7 story drop from the corkscrew to the start/finish line. Greg Moore, Riccardo Zonda, B Schnieder, Klaus Ludwig, to name a few, all loved Laguna Seca from my conversations with them at the track!

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By: RCD https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964855 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 18:00:55 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964855 In reply to olpeculier.

Oliver's Mount??

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964845 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 16:10:46 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964845 In reply to ryanoceros.

property developers and land owners have a lot of power over the local government.

Especially when a majority of people, as in California, don't bother to vote in (state) elections.

This is an unfortunate situation that, like in many other places, privileges the voices of those who do vote, which are generally the people described in other posts; the wealthy and well-connected. It's not their fault that they do vote of course, but it does skew the results and thus the actions and priorities of local governments.

Though it's easy to be cynical, voting really does matter. Mail it in if you have to; don't waste it.

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By: MurasamaRA300 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964774 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 10:15:53 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964774 In reply to Don.

Was the area expensive in 1957 as well?

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By: Daver https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964767 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 09:59:50 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964767 "Superior Court of the State of Monterey" - congratulations to Monterey on becoming the 51st State!

The correct court name should be: "Superior Court of California, Monterey Division"

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By: MurasamaRA300 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964765 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 09:55:00 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964765 In reply to MurasamaRA300.

I hope you're right @Nick T.

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By: MurasamaRA300 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964762 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 09:53:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964762 In reply to scss.

Thank you for this insight - it is very relevant. Much appreciated.

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By: Nick T. https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964745 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 06:32:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964745 In reply to Dane.

A few hundred “little people” will complain about losing jobs at the track and businesses dedicated to serving racers’ needs, but the people complaining right now are mostly folks with tech and VC money.

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By: scss https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964726 Tue, 23 Jan 2024 00:35:54 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964726 In reply to Aetost.

I live about four hours away from Laguna. I’ve driven it, competed as a mechanic (club level), spectated and on one occasion, attended with a press pass. My first event there was the 1973 Can-AM race wherein Mark Donahue did a Verstappen in the Penske Porsche 917 Roadster.

Fort Ord was a U.S. Army facility that covered 44 square miles (114 square kilometers). Within that area, Laguna Seca sits atop some very large hills – mostly down in a bowl and was leased by the Army to the (City of) Monterey Chamber of Commerce in August 1957.

Fort Ord closed in 1994 and most of the land was returned to the State of California.

In time, some of the land was developed and one-off homes were built not far from the circuit. California law requires that prospective home owners be notified of such things as noise from racing circuits; so no one living up there can say they didn’t know (I briefly had a real estate license).

I knew a couple who bought a home up there about fifteen years ago. The next time I saw them, they were complaining about the noise to anyone who would listen. I asked them if they had been informed of the circuit and noise prior to buying and they responded (if reluctantly) that they had. “Then what’s the problem?” I inquired. Appearing incensed, they said nothing and changed the subject.

Complaints from home owners in the area is nothing new, but it’s always kind of scary. Riverside International in Southern California closed due to urban sprawl and the political pressure brought by new home owners (who again, couldn’t say they didn’t know) and developers hoping to get their hands on the land to make a buck.

Nothing new under the sun – disgusting as it may be sometimes.

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By: Euro Brun https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964718 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:09:48 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964718 One day, the only permanent circuit remaining in the States will be Thermal Club, the only place where the locals are 100% pro racing!

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By: Euro Brun https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964716 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:05:46 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964716 In reply to Biskit Boy.

Funny how the group are called "Highway 68", named after, guess what? A road.
I presume every single one of them drives exclusively electric vehicles? Hmm….

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By: ryanoceros https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964712 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:52:41 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964712 The area around Laguna Seca is packed with NIMBY types. It’s one of the most expensive areas in California, so property developers and land owners have a lot of power over the local government. In the United States local governments hold almost all the power in the land use decision making processes. I doubt this Highway 68 coalition will be successful in limiting Laguna Seca’s operations, but similar groups have successfully used these tactics to block new development or limit existing land uses. At the same time poor people can’t even get industries to stop polluting their air with cancer causing emissions like in Texas. It’s all upside down.

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By: Dane https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964711 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:50:23 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964711 In reply to Nick T..

They’re going to put one of America’s best tracks out of business and then they’ll be whining their economy has dried up.

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By: Dane https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964710 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:44:52 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964710 In reply to Nick T..

California does make it hard to run a business. It’s not a coincidence companies like Tesla, Oracle, Charles Schwab and Chevron and been relocating for years.

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By: Don https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964708 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 21:45:44 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964708 In reply to Biskit Boy.

Laguna Seca was built in 1957 and surrounded by some insanely expensive real estate. Pebble Beach, Carmel By the Sea (Clint Eastwood), Monterey (Concourse D'Elegance), etc. Hard to imagine people wouldn't know about the track or be told by a real estate agent if wealthy enough to purchase near it, but it could be quite annoying to live near it if you're a billionaire. The track is quite busy. Their calendar is only completed till March for some reason, but every month is about half filled with events. IndyCar race in June, many other events all year.

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By: Nick T. https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964697 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:08:54 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964697 In reply to MichaelN.

No. Changing usage has been forced down the track’s throat by these same people. Events at Laguna Seca have been reduced ten-fold since the 1980s and these people still whine.

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By: Nick T. https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964696 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:07:11 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964696 In reply to rpiian.

This is an every state thing, but sure, buy into the stereotype.

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By: Nick T. https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964695 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:06:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964695 In reply to MurasamaRA300.

The developers are likely bankrolling this new “coalition,” but whiners who knew the track was there and still complain will jump on board. Hopefully, all the wealthy and powerful patrons of Laguna Secs will ensure the wealthy and powerful developers don’t win.

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By: Yellow Baron https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/22/racing-at-laguna-seca-threatened-by-locals-court-case/#comment-4964680 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 17:43:48 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525735#comment-4964680 In reply to MichaelN.

Perhaps you make a good point but there's a number of odd things that don't add up with their complaints.

Firstly it's a golfing resort nearest to the track which I assume isn't regular housing. There's a also a shooting range in between the track and the resort lol. Not sure how quiet a shooting ranch is.

Otherwise it's some housing on the other side of highway 68 which is at least a decent mile away at it's closest. And of course separated by a highway. Most noise from automobiles on roads is actually just from the tyres running against the surface of the road. Highways are not quite.

There's also a fair amount of trees in-between these housing areas and the highway, which do reduce spuds getting through.

Also there's an airport not at all far which has it's runway pointed directly at this area. Hard to imagine the planes being quiet for gw residents near the track.

It also seems that the track is up a hill for the highway and I would imagine that further reduces the noise reaching the housing below the highway, if true.

It would be interesting to know if the complaint is coming mainly from the resort and investors looking to build east of the track.

I don't entirely doubt their noise complaints but you have to think there's more going on, even as someone mentioned the unused land to the east of the track and so on. They will do whatever they can to have the track shut down entirely for housing to be built next to it

Quite frankly it seems all a bit stupid. Race track if all kinds get a lot of flack from local residents. Even small go kart/ drift tracks that are nestled directly next to airports!! Can you believe that!?

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