Comments on: Drivers expect 'dragon move' ban and other Indy 500 rule changes | IndyCar https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Mon, 22 Jan 2024 12:32:42 +0000 hourly 1 By: Christopher Rehn https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4964633 Mon, 22 Jan 2024 12:32:42 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4964633 Marcus Ericsson is a two-time Indy 500 winner, and I will die on this hill.

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By: DaveW https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963922 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 21:42:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963922 In reply to Unicron.

In fact to optimize the move you would take an arc where the following car cannot take the full slipstream without either hitting the end of the barrier or exiting the corner early and risking a spin. It’s going to end in tears if it’s not banned. People will get more creative and aggressive with it until it’s stopped.

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By: T https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963904 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:28:39 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963904 In reply to Asd.

at a certain point there were racing in pity entry but ok
It was exciting but absolutely dangerous, if either hit the barrier: red mist and flying parts right into pit and the track.

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By: BasCB https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963853 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:29:26 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963853 In reply to Luiz Eduardo.

Yeah, that seems like a reasonable thing to put into the rules. There are reasons why F1 made rules about crossing the pit entry and exit lines, exactly because of accidents / almost accidents happened at high speed.

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By: Joe Sausage https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963812 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 21:33:26 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963812 In reply to ryanoceros.

Exactly, I like Max but he didn't deserve that win.
If they had did it according to rules it couldn't have restarted.
Let's clear that last lap up. If Marcus had not swerved at turn two he probably would have won.
If he had moved right and floored it when Newgarden did what he did, he probably would have won.

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By: Craig https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963795 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 18:12:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963795 In reply to ryanoceros.

The "finish under green flags no matter what" mindset only seems to cause problems, especially in the slap dash, unfair manner it's been applied that has disadvantaged huge numbers of drivers (people tend to forget it wasn't just whoever was leading at the time who was disadvantaged). Finishing under yellow or declaring a result early if red flagged is fine.

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By: ryanoceros https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963790 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 17:31:44 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963790 The last lap of last year’s 500 was ridiculous on multiple levels. They should t have even restarted with one lap to go. That’s very similar to the F1 2021 finale.

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By: Luiz Eduardo https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963783 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 17:12:35 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963783 In reply to chimaera2003.

Maybe the line is already drawn. Like, what if you are not allowed to cross the pit line, make it a harsher penalty if for defending purposes. The zigzagging won't be nullified and I think it's ok. There'd have been casualties if something went wrong in 2023.

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By: Alonzo Cantu https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963752 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 13:38:27 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963752 In reply to Jonathan Parkin.

The reason it was done that way is because Penske owns the track and it was a Penske driver in second. Everyone who watches the 500 knows first is a sitting duck on a restart. Penske rigged it for Joseph. That simple.

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By: Asd https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963729 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:54:04 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963729 In reply to Don.

Yes! Finally a motorsport fan! On a track that is all about the battle of slipstreaming you need to allow… well… slipstreaming battles.

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By: Red Andy https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963711 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 08:15:50 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963711 In reply to MichaelN.

Agree - I understand Ericsson being sore about it, as he was the one who lost out, but he should probably remember that he was the one who kicked off the train of red flags by wrecking O'Ward, and was lucky to be allowed to participate in the closing laps at all.

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By: Crawliin-from-the-wreckage https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963701 Sun, 14 Jan 2024 02:04:55 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963701 In reply to osnola.

@osnola No wonder these guys can't get a super licence!
They should have watched the F1 guys handling Melbourne restarts safely and implemented that strategy.

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By: osnola https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963689 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 19:59:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963689 In reply to spoutnik.

The best race ending in years was a one lap ending..
so please if driving is possible drive.. its called a race.

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By: Bullfrog https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963684 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 19:24:12 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963684 In reply to RandomMallard.

Better than burying one of the other competitors or pit crew. Ban the dragon, before the Year of the Dragon gets under way.

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By: RandomMallard https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963675 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 17:22:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963675 It wouldn't work quite as well as some European track, but perhaps Indy could introduce a rule similar to what F1 uses(/used?) at Baku, where I believe it was in the Race Director's notes that anyone crossing any part of the pit entry line (it might have been with 4 wheels) has to enter the pits, or will be penalised. I seem to remember Kimi got a penalty for it in the 2016 race.

Whether Indycar would be willing to penalise the winner of it's biggest race after the end of the race is a different matter though…

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By: Unicron https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963672 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:04:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963672 The 'dragon move' scares the life out of me. The lead car swerving towards the inside track has full visibility of where the end of the pitlane wall is, but the cars behind can only see as far as the rear wings in fridge not of them. When/if the lead car leaves it to the last second to swerve back across and onto the circuit proper I'm always scared that the following cars won't have enough time to react and will just plough head on into the end of the pit wall. So banning this move is very sensible in my view, without doing so is just waiting for a massive accident to happen.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963671 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:01:04 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963671 The restart itself was handled quite well; a lot of the complaints about it being unsafe predictably came from people who stood to lose from the race continuing, with RACER quoting several insiders afterwards who said tyres etc. were perfectly fine to go.

But what made it a bad experience was that it was the third restart in just 15 or so laps. The Indy 500 is always going to become frantic towards the end, but maybe an alternative solution to this high number of late race incidents would simply be to take everyone who is not in the top 10 off the track by something like lap 185 or 190.

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By: Don https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963666 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 14:51:42 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963666 The move is exciting! Why not only allow it a certain distance (wide) away from the pit barrier?

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By: S https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963665 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 14:43:21 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963665 Basically a call for track limits to be enforced… Same reason it's needed in F1, and every other racing series.
Rules are there not just for the challenge, but also very much for safety. In order for them to work, they need to be enforced and respected.

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By: spoutnik https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/13/drivers-dragon-move-ban-indy-500/#comment-4963658 Sat, 13 Jan 2024 14:07:27 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525228#comment-4963658 Resuming a race for one lap is a farce. They'd better finish it under yellows, or even call it a day if red-flagged on the penultimate lap, like in most other series.

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