Comments on: While F1 is eager for more street tracks, Formula E is drifting away from them | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Fri, 19 Jan 2024 14:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: rsp123 https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964319 Fri, 19 Jan 2024 14:30:10 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964319 In reply to Ferdinand.

Quite agree. Street tracks are awful, and none more so than Las Vegas.

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By: Ferdinand https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964288 Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:00:10 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964288 In reply to SjaakFoo.

But all in all, in both cases, the priority should not be the environment, but the quality of the actual racing. Your main focus should be pleasing the viewing audience. If your sport isn’t fun to watch, your race attendance will inevitably go down instead of up. Make sure your sport is good, then worry about how many casino’s are in the backdrop of your sweeping drone shots.

This is the essence. And this is exactly what gets forgotten in the board room of a publicly traded/stock listed company. Everyone there is in it for the short term share holder value because they will be judged on this and they do not know how much longer they will be in their positions (- which certainly will be shortened if that shareholder value isn't created soon). Nobody cares about the IP they have, it's just entertainment product X.

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By: Ferdinand https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964286 Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:52:20 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964286 In reply to Red Andy.

Coincidental or a deliberate route into the psyche of the viewers that this kind of lay out of circuits is ok (/more common) and then duplicate them onto the road in a city centre?

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By: Elvira https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964265 Fri, 19 Jan 2024 05:21:12 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964265 In reply to Leksa.

Singapore is also abysmal to watch in person compared to the circuit it effectively killed.

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By: Elvira https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964264 Fri, 19 Jan 2024 05:19:27 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964264 In reply to Rhys Lloyd.

absolutely the worst thing about Formula E undifferentiated, tunnels of repetitive signage.
I'm not even sure why they pay for it - if anything, I'm marginally less likely to buy anything from ABB after the 10,000th view of it's logo.

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By: Alex https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964237 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:11:27 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964237 There's a far simpler answer here.

The number of city circuits in F1 has risen because, a few years ago, it was very low.

The number of city circuits in Formula E has fallen because, a few years ago, it was very high.

Each number was only likely to move in one direction. Now they're both at more moderate levels - there's room to go either way in the future.

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By: Asd https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964224 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 14:41:24 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964224 F1 has many CITY TRACKS, but only few of them are STREET TRACKS. Can we finally get this right?!?

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By: Chris Horton https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964219 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 13:50:14 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964219 Not a fan whatsoever of all these street circuits.

They're interesting as a novelty feature, but I want F1 predominantly to race on permanent circuits.

Growing up, I used to love the scenery of the permanent circuits, these street tracks are just tunnels of concrete barriers.

I used to be able to name a circuit easily from a photo of one corner. I'd have no idea any more, Baku and Monaco aside, they're dull and generic.

I'm already less interested in the sport than I was 10 years ago and I've watched every season religiously since 1999. Sadly, if things keep going in a negative direction (street circuits, and the sheer number of races) I can see it becoming a real issue for me. I've already drawn the line at Sprint Shootout, I haven't watched one of those yet.

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By: Roger Ayles https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964218 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 13:45:39 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964218 As I said in the round-up today I don't dislike street circuits but I think the problem with most of the new style of street circuits is that they all follow the same template & so don't have the sort of unique characteristics or challenges that used to set street circuits apart from everything else & each other.

The fun of street circuits used to come from the spectacle created by the unique challenges they created. They used to be narrow, tight, bumpy, dusty & they used to feature multiple changes in road surface which would add to those challenges and there was no room for error with even the smallest mistake often punished.

Now modern street circuits feel more like the normal circuits but just with walls next to the track as they tend to be just as open, wide, smooth, clean & are regularly resurfaced in many cases with similar tarmac as whats used on permanent circuits.

Even Monaco has sadly lost a lot of what used to make it such a great spectacle as the 2003 changes that moved some barriers back & opened up some of the corners took away a lot of the challenge.

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By: Alan Dove https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964198 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 10:25:12 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964198 Comparing Formula E and Formula 1 proves to be a nuanced undertaking, primarily due to Formula E's perpetual navigation of survival challenges. Formula 1, in contrast, offers a more accessible framework for comprehension and analysis. The financial dynamics associated with street circuits play a pivotal role in this distinction. Not only does the capacity to generate revenue from these venues hold significant weight, but the reduction of the FIA's influence and control also emerges as a crucial factor.

The strategic deployment of temporary venues exclusively catering to Formula 1 undermines the FIA's regulatory sway. This strategic maneuver limits the FIA's recourse should Liberty Media, the controlling entity of Formula 1, opt for a decisive breakaway from the FIA. The conundrum surrounding this potential divergence hinges on Liberty's strategic calculus. While the formidable F1 brand may ostensibly tether them to the FIA, ongoing negotiations with the FIA afford Liberty a distinctly advantageous position. The inclusion of locations such as Vegas, Jeddah, Miami, Albert Park, Baku Singapore and potentially Madrid in their portfolio substantially amplifies their negotiating leverage, contrasting starkly with a scenario reliant on a complete roster of FIA-affiliated permanent venues.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964197 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 10:22:12 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964197 In reply to MichaelN.

Drone shots, that is.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964196 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 10:20:55 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964196 In reply to Ferdinand.

Agreed. I don't much care where they race, but it will probably become a grayish blur in either a tunnel of Rolex/MSC billboards or a tunnel of light with a few drive shots mixed in.

If they can improve the coverage, street races aren't necessarily a bad thing.

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By: Rhys Lloyd https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964189 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:40:34 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964189 In reply to Red Andy.

@red-andy for Adelaide it was a case of money. After the F1 left, it was replaced by the Adelaide 500 which has run nearly every year since.

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By: SjaakFoo https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964188 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:38:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964188 The street tracks in Formula E are objectively terrible. As people have pointed out, you find yourself staring at fences more than street scenery. There’s no crowds (maybe one grandstand at the start/finish), they’re often in parts of towns that aren’t exactly the main city (and sometimes as far out as being onan old airport parkinglot). So moving to tracks can only be applauded. Unfortunately, the move to circuits hasn’t been that beneficial either, it makes the cars look slower (this is inherent on moving from small narrow tracks to wider more open tracks) and the racing can get less interesting on them, as we saw in Mexico just this week.

For F1 however, the speed is not an issue. F1’s car are not suited for narrow street tracks as they are currently. Luckily a lot of the newer street tracks take this into account by being more like traditional tracks, but it’s still hit or miss if the track is good or not. Singapore is a hit, Miami is a miss, Baku is a hit, Saudi Arabia is a miss, Las Vegas is up for debate still, could be a hit. So all in all, I’m not entirely opposed to street tracks, especially given that F1’s street tracks appear to be in town centers and attract a lot of attention. It definitely feels more energetic (although a good crowd on a circuit like Zandvoort or Silverstone accomplishes much of the same thing).

But all in all, in both cases, the priority should not be the environment, but the quality of the actual racing. Your main focus should be pleasing the viewing audience. If your sport isn’t fun to watch, your race attendance will inevitably go down instead of up. Make sure your sport is good, then worry about how many casino’s are in the backdrop of your sweeping drone shots.

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By: Rhys Lloyd https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964187 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:36:55 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964187 In reply to Red Andy.

@red-andy probably the ability to sell signage all the way around the track.

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By: Yes https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964185 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:32:58 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964185 Street circuits are absolutely awful and has made F1 duller than it is. No more please. Formula E is going the right path - it needed actual tracks.

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By: Leksa https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964184 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:29:42 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964184 I hate street races with passion. Once you've seen one, you've seen them all. Only Monaco is unique, so I'd keep that in the calendar. But like for Singapore, the novelty factor of night race has worn off after the addition of Jeddah and Las Vegas. I'd scrap them all and replace them with Mugello, Magny-Cours and Nürburgring/Hockenheim.

I know Liberty only cares about money, and trendy cityscape with lights and nightclubs and fashion generate more social media likes than some muddy countryside race circuit in the middle of nowhere, which only gather petrolheads and true fans, and not rich celebrities and social media influencers who are Liberty's main target audience.

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By: PacificPR https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964182 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:36:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964182 For me the biggest problem is the layouts of the recent street track additions - they all seem to play the same cards: extreme long straights and or high speed (blind) corners all hoping for mayhem - I guess inspired by the ‘succes’ of Baku. Not only does it make all these tracks interchangeable and forgettable - it’s also throwing away decades of great work on safety standards. These street tracks have less to do with driver skills and pure racing but much more with luck - I fear that one day in one of these events F1 will run out of luck and that all the hard work on safety will come undone.

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By: Red Andy https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964181 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:08:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964181 In reply to Ferdinand.

I understand this argument, but it doesn't necessarily explain the parallel trend of designing F1 tracks that are permanent circuits but look like street tracks - Abu Dhabi being the most obvious example, but other venues like Sochi have also been designed with this in mind. There must be something about the 'look' of a street circuit that FOM imagines appeals to fans, most of whom will be watching on television rather than attending races in person.

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By: Red Andy https://www.racefans.net/2024/01/18/while-f1-is-eager-for-more-street-tracks-formula-e-is-drifting-away-from-them/#comment-4964178 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:01:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=525492#comment-4964178 Does Miami really count as a street circuit, given that it takes place in a car park rather than on public roads?

That aside, historically speaking - apart from Monaco, of course - 'true' street circuits tend to have a limited shelf life in F1, just as in FE. Think of the Valencia street circuit, or the string of races held in US cities in the 1980s and early 1990s. Even Adelaide only lasted 11 years before the circus moved on. The main difference is that, in F1, there are always willing volunteers to replace whichever course drops off the calendar, which probably isn't the case in FE.

Looking ahead, I can see Monaco, Singapore and probably Las Vegas as the three street circuits that will have a long-term place on the calendar; the others will come and go as local political winds change.

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