Comments on: Ferrari say they were "put at a disadvantage to their rivals" at Monza | WEC https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:31:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: Roman https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4928567 Mon, 17 Jul 2023 19:31:59 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4928567 Is there any clear rule how they measure BoP and how to calculate it?

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By: Proesterchen https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927596 Wed, 12 Jul 2023 07:31:02 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927596 In reply to Yellow Baron.

British trying cars

If that's not a mini-series on the foibles of the British car industry, it should be.

I’m curious has endurance racing always used bop?

A long time ago, in a land far away, every motorsport started with a bunch of people competing to build and race cars, preferably to a common and properly governed set of rules.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927594 Wed, 12 Jul 2023 07:29:15 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927594 In reply to MarkWebber.

It's not arbitrary though, it's meant to have the cars perform equally. And it's working quite well. That Toyota in particular, and AF Corse as well, have their operations sorted out better is also not a huge surprise given their experience.

We'll never know how quick each team can theoretically be. That's not the point of the Hypercar class. Those days are over for sportscar racing. At least for now.

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By: Yellow Baron https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927544 Wed, 12 Jul 2023 00:19:14 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927544 In reply to GeeMac.

Wouldn't a success based bop make more sense? Like in British trying cars. Of course they have 3 races in one weekend. But at least it would avoid random tweaking of the bop essentially creating a d8ffbest team every round.
Perhaps they could implement bop but strictly based on results and championship points. And including qualifying as well somehow.
Either way bop is always going to be complicated and car performance will vary track to track anyway so a perfect solution doesn't exist.

I'm curious has endurance racing always used bop?

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By: MarkWebber https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927499 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 21:22:04 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927499 In reply to MichaelN.

That's a good thing, the world should know how the FIA/ACO are arbitrarily influencing racing. By exposing it, the race results and the integrity of the championship will be called into question, hopefully leading to a much less influential BoP.

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By: Yaru https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927407 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 17:27:56 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927407 They didn't complain at Le Mans when Toyota were given a larger weight addition than they were and then they went on to win. (mind you Toyota also complained back then)

Fairly sure the whole point of BoP is to nerf cars when they perform well. Ferrari won Le Mans, the biggest race of the series, so of course they'll get nerfed. I'm surprised they're surprised.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927261 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:45:38 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927261 In reply to Coventry Climax.

They can bring this up in private. Doing it publicly is just going to lead to this taking attention away from the racing. Controversy equals clicks.

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927247 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:05:57 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927247 In reply to MichaelN.

In fact, the rules forbid them making these statements.

Sure, dictatorship is the way to go.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927239 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 10:47:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927239 The BoP has been done very well. If anything the FIA/ACO deserves credit, not moaning from any of the teams.

It's going to be really annoying if Toyota and now Ferrari keep these theatrics up. In fact, the rules forbid them making these statements. So in the interest of the LMH/LMDh class, let's see if the FIA/ACO takes a tough stance on this and sanctions both teams.

They all knew what they were signing up for.

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By: Moshambles https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927214 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 09:26:43 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927214 Is a yoke

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By: Martin https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927206 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 08:58:13 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927206 I am suprised to have now seen Ferrari and Toyota both complaining about the BOP rules and implying that it is 'unfair'. What will they complain about next, the pope is catholic?

Obviously it is unfair, it is literally unfairness baked into the rules that they have both accepted to race to. I have never liked the BOP idea, but I assumed the teams taking part fully accepted the idea and that it can take away your ability to win races no matter how well you perform as a team over a race weekend.

I think the teams need to just accept it for what it is or pull out of the series, as the image that they give off with this whining is not good.

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By: GeeMac https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927165 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 05:47:30 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927165 BOP giveth and it taketh away.

I'd take a win in the Le Mans 24 Hours if it meant my team finished 47th in every other race on the WEC calendar. Le Mans is the big prize, not the WEC title itself. Seeing as Ferrari already have that under their belts, I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve with comments like this…

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By: Tone https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927133 Mon, 10 Jul 2023 22:05:52 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927133 Toyota also signed up for a BOP series with full knowledge as well but didn’t stop them bitching about it either

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By: Coventry Climax https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927100 Mon, 10 Jul 2023 18:23:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927100 Yep, it's rigged, and you signed up for it, full knowing in advance.

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By: Proesterchen https://www.racefans.net/2023/07/10/ferrari-say-they-were-put-at-a-disadvantage-to-their-rivals-at-monza-six-hours/#comment-4927098 Mon, 10 Jul 2023 18:12:13 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=512715#comment-4927098 Ferrari entered a BOP-ed series and all they were given was a Le Mans 24h win.

Poor babies.

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